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Torre_Tiger 18 points an hour ago
I don't know where to start, I'm a huge fan of the series but tbh if you post here that goes without saying , I enjoy all star wars lore even the prequels , but this movie has just left me with a sour taste in my mouth after the first viewing. It felt like everything build in TFA (which I actually enjoyed) was just tossed out the window and not really followed. They had this amazing group of storylines that they could explore and yet they lazed out on pretty much all of them.

First the plot, it's incredibly average, the whole movie is a 2 hour slow cat and mouse chase that drags on for too long, since when has fuel been a problem in star wars? Since when can deflector shields last that long to a barrage? It felt like the first order had a bunch of options to stop the rebels, why not just shoot all cannons at once, why not call for other ships in the galaxy (I'm guessing that is not their whole fleet) to come and cut them off from the front...hell even the ships behind snokes capital ship could have like sped forward and then circled around to cut off the rebels.

Also if holdo actually told Poe the plan she had from the beginning instead of keeping it to herself (for what reasons I have no idea) he would have not sent Finn and that annoying Asian chick to find the codebreaker and they wouldn't have been captured and given away the cloaking plan of the rebels. Also as a first order admiral you'd have to be quite thick to not realise that the rebels are heading for that planet since it's probably the only thing around for thousands of miles, and they would know it's an ex rebel base!

Which brings me to the point of Finn and annoying Asian chick story , I hated it. In TFA they set up Finn to be this new kind of solo style character he wanted to run just like Han in the original trilogy but then he stuck with the rebellion cos he knew it was the right thing to do, I felt he was going to be a huge part of the story and would team up with Rey (and maybe be a romantic interest) and have a meaningful impact to the story. But instead he gets sent on what is basically a side quest with one of the most annoying characters in the entire series, and not only that but his mission is basically futile and could have been avoided , in fact making his mission the reason that the whole resistance can fit in the millennium falcon. The casino planet was awful the whole attempt at a social commentary and the muh 1% was totally not needed in my opinion and added nothing to the story. Also are you really telling me that the remnants of the old empire and the republic used the same CONTRACTORS to create their weapons? That seems highly unlikely and stupid , just an idiotic plot point thrown in to get the audiences to be #WOKE but which fell flat on its face because I never for once thought oh you know maybe the rebels aren't so good after all , because they don't go round blowing up planets so you know .

But yeah Finn's story was butchered and really disappointing in the movie.

Now onto Rey , seriously , she barely had any decent dialogue or progression in character , she had no struggle no real fight in herself, Luke says she went "straight to the darkness" when it called to her but throughout the movie she was some paragon for good without faltering, she had no flaws like other jedi before her which would show her the dangers of the draws to the dark side. Also how is she so strong in the force? She barely has any saber or force training and she's wielding that shit like windu and lifting tonnes of rocks like they're nothing, it's like no one who made the movie remembers how in the original trilogy Luke could barely move pebbles while actually training with one of the greatest jedi masters of all time and yet Rey is just amazingly strong and talented without an ounce of training, it's just stupid.

Which lead me to the relationship between her and Luke which was kinda sucky there was no true master and student moments , they just seemed to bicker , I understand she was frustrated with Luke though and think his character was written terribly , why would he ever want to kill kylo? He senses darkness in him , so what? He literally managed to turn Darth fucking Vader against his master because he believed in the good in him , it seems like the way they took Luke towards was absolutely ridiculous. In TFA and trailers for TLJ they hinted at Luke training Rey while also explaining why the jedi had to die, but the movie has basically no real training for her and the jedi it turns out don't have to die, in fact that was all a shit ploy it seems to make people interested in the movie through the trailers.

Also Rey's parents are absolute fucking nobodies , why even try and hype up that plot point in TFA when you're going to conclude it with such shit writing? I've seen many fan ideas that could have been better than what's been delivered.

And snoke, what the fuck were they thinking? He just DIES? I mean I understand it's the whole idea of kylo wanting to end the sith but in fact doing what all sith do which is overtake their master and kill them, making him actually achieve more with the dark side than vader, but honestly not even a bit of backstory for snoke? Nothing at all? The guy could use force lightening like it was nothing, he was so fucking strong in the force he smacks Rey with her own light saber as she tries to take it , he also creates a bond between the minds of Rey and kylo just so she would come to him to try save him and he could trap her. A guy with this much power and fucking evil genius is given no fucking background and is killed in the stupidest way possible , like a real amateur, I mean I get it , the sith get over confident and don't see everything , but come the fuck on his death was ridiculous.

I don't know what else to say ....Phasma was disappointingly killed after too little screen time, c3p0 and R2 are given a jokingly small amount of screen time too.... Leia's fucking space flying was fucking stupid, also how is her skin frozen but she's perfectly fine and wouldn't be sucked into the vacuum of space be enough to fucking die? I wouldn't even have been mad if that is how she went , trying to save others and went down with her ship but instead she becomes space superman and can use the force without explanation as to how or when she has received training. I mean I wouldn't even have been mad if she was the one who actually went into hyperspace towards the first order to save the remnants of the resistance, but now she's alive and will be written out poorly because of carries untimely death. Also why the fuck does holdo say GODSpeed to the rebels? God is a thing in the star wars universe now?

Why is hux suddenly comic relief? He was some Adolf Hitleresque orator in TFA and suddenly he's the butt of jokes? Which leads me in to say that the movie tries TOO HARD to be funny at moments where humour should not be used at all.

What's with all the save the animal shit in the movie? And come on Disney can you cut it out with trying to shove in cute little things just to drive up your toy sales?

Also who the fuck are the Knights of Ren? What happened to the other force sensitive students who kylo took from Luke's temple?

ALSO WHY THE FUCK DID LUKE HAVE TO DIE?! his death was so fucking pointless.

Basically the prequels were better than this.

TL:DR WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THE MOVIE , I WAS DISAPPOINTED ON MY FIRST WATCH SORRY I NEEDED TO VENT

Snoke dumája nagyon arra hajazott, hogy Kylo árulja el őt (mintha azzal piszkálta volna fel "nem árul el engem senki!"), hisz az is a sötét oldal egyik jellemzője. Ha meg arra gondolunk, hogy negy ereje van, kérdéses, hogy ne érzékelte volna a fegyvert maga mellett. Szóval simán benne van a pakliban, hogy ő is csak egy kivetülés volt. Ha meg csak az volt, akkor böszme ereje van, ha még e mellett emelgette Ray-t.....Ha így volt, akkor a kérdés az, hogy mi volt ezzel a célja...

- Snoke is csak kivetítette magát, Trollkodott ő is. Bár, hozzáteszem erőltett lenne.
- Az energiafegyver hatósugár még érthető (vákumban oszlani kezd), de lenne utalás arra, hogy miért nem akartak/tudtak erősítést kérni az órákon át tartó vonatozás befejezéséhez.
- Lenne utalás arra miért nem alkalmaznak fénysebességre gyorsuló lövedékeket, hiszen kurva hatékony lenne bármi ellen. (Halálcsillag wink-wink) Pl. tönkreteszi a komplett rendszert a sok nagy sebességű törmelék, ami utána marad.